Episode 173

Digging Into Our Fascination with True Crime with Ryan Winter

Published on: 29th November, 2023

The popularity of the true crime genre isn't a recent phenomenon. In fact, true crime has been captivating audiences for centuries. From the infamous Jack the Ripper cases in the late 1800s to the modern-day Netflix documentaries.

Listen in as I talk with True Crime Historical Fiction Author Ryan Winter about our fascination with True Crime as well as a side conversation about how dating apps may be destroying our networking abilities. 

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It is almost December, and you're probably nestled

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snugly into the holiday season.

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Visions of sugar, plums,

gingerbread, and snowmen, but not me.

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I'm still in spooky season.

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Truth be told, every season

is spooky season for me.

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I listen to Ghost Paranormal and

True Crime Podcasts year round.

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I seek out scary movies to watch at night.

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All alone, no matter what time of year it

is, it's always spooky season in my soul.

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Welcome to episode 1 73 of This

Shit Works, a podcast dedicated to

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all things networking, relationship

building, and business development.

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I'm your host, Julie Brown, speaker,

author, and networking coach, and today

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I am joined by true Crime historical

fiction, author Ryan Winter for a bit

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of a guilty pleasure episode for me

because we're gonna talk about all

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things true crime, serial killers,

horror, and maybe a smidge of networking.

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My guest today, Hales from South

Louisiana, where he draws inspiration

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for storytelling and uses it as

the backdrop for many of his works.

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And how could you not?

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Louisiana with its rich history,

architecture, voodoo and spiritual

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traditions, Mardi Gras, carnival

haunted locations, swamps and bios.

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It's a location where the past

seems to linger, making it the

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perfect setting for ghost stories.

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Tales of the supernatural, true crime and

serial killers, speaking serial killers.

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Have you heard of the

Axman of New Orleans?

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He was an American serial killer, active

in New Orleans, Louisiana, in surrounding

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communities from May, 1918 to October,

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and the murders remain unsolved.

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This story was the inspiration

for one of Ryan's books.

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Wake The Devil.

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I can't wait to get into it.

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And actually a lot more with Ryan.

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So without further ado,

Ryan, welcome to the podcast.

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ryan-winter_1_11-07-2023_101815:

Oh, thank you Julie.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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So happy to be here.

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Track 1: Let's start

with a simple question.

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ryan-winter_1_11-07-2023_101815: Sure.

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Track 1: Oh, thank you.

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Thank you.

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Um, I do, I'm, I'm proud of my openings.

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People say they really like the openings,

and I do put a lot of, research into the

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openings for, so thanks for saying that.

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We'll start with a simple question.

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What led you to the world of true

crime writing, and specifically

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what drew you to the story of

this serial killer, this axman.

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Hmm, we have to go back to:

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Uh, I was living in the French Quarter

then, and, uh, well actually:

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The time, the time, the time and I was

working at a hotel doing concierge work

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and looking for a new writing project.

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And it sort of found me, you know, there's

so many books about haunted history

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in New Orleans in general and I was

combing through all these and some of

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'em were, you know, kind of outlandish.

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Some of 'em were kind of fun and I'm like,

wow, some of these really did happen,

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you know, after researching and all that.

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And new Orleans means they love to talk.

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We love folklore.

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So you have to kind of take with a grain

of salt but I kept seeing the axman

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sort of like a footnote in several,

haunted history books about New Orleans

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and I was, God, who is this guy?

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And I would ask around a lot of

older locals that might have known,

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if they've ever heard of him.

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'cause I mean, this goes

back to World War I.

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and a lot of people I mentioned it to

had no idea what I was talking about.

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So I did a lot of research in this.

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There's a beautiful building in the middle

of the French Quarter, close to where

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I was living, uh, called the Williams

Research Center, beautiful building at

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Everything.

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And on going back to Jesus is on

microfilm there, it's a pretty,

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there's a lot of stuff there.

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, I have found things I

probably shouldn't have.

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But, um, beautiful Bill and I was there

and I was kind of researching and all,

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and the mo I uncovered the more I'm

like, oh my gosh, what is this story?

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So it's sort of found me, and I'll

tell you something funny, Julie.

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The first time I started working on it,

I had the weirdest creepiest feeling.

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I remember when I finally sat down and

I had all these printouts and all that.

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And I remember the first time

working on, and I was living

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right in the middle of the court.

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I lived right on Duma Street.

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I could, I'm so close to Cafe Dumont, I

could smell the sugar like constantly.

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So I was probably high just, smelling the

powdered sugar, while I'm working on this.

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And, I knew I had to do it because

that first night of, of working, I

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almost can hear like a dragging sound.

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And all I kept thinking is an ax

scraping outside of my balcony on

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my little, uh, studio apartment.

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And I said, okay.

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So it's almost like he was, sitting

at the door saying, okay, young man.

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Don't screw this up.

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This is my story, you know, So, and,

and that's how, that's how it started.

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And from then on, it just me, I,

I couldn't stop thinking about it.

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Track 1: I was just, I was gonna ask

you, how long did you live with him?

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When I'm writing a keynote, and

a lot of times I write . About,

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avatars in my keynote.

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So I always say that those people live in

my brain, like they're, they're my friend.

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Maybe the X-Men isn't your friend,

but like they are my friend when I'm

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writing and I wanna do a service to them.

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When I'm writing a keynote around

an avatar, around a business

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professional, like, how long,

long did he live in your head?

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that, that's a very good question.

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Um, since then, I have attempted

to write the book four or

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five times over the years.

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And then of course, um.

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Katrina happened and put a damper

on a lot of things and it took me

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while to, to dig out the notes again.

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And I remember in, I think this was,

I'm gonna say maybe:

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was a very, very cold winter in New

Orleans and I remember hearing the

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ice hit the, the window and all that.

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I'm like, God, it is freezing out there.

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And of course I'm in a shotgun house

and they sit off the ground, so I'm

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freezing my ass off, even with the heat

blasting, and, , my roommate had went

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to work that night, so I'm by myself and

I said, this is probably a good night

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to start working on this book again.

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And sure enough, don't, you know, I'm

probably a couple paragraphs in and

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I can hear that scraping sound again.

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And it brought back, that

early memory, I'm like.

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What the hell?

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So and I'm, I'm boldly going

into this and I can think in

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my head he's going, okay, bro.

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Second attempt, try to do this.

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Don't you know about, I'm gonna

say probably about midnight.

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I'm, I'm a little ways in

his, I'm spooking myself.

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My roommate comes in and I

jump 10 feet out of my chair.

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And I'm like, oh my.

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I'm like, you idiot.

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He's like, whatcha doing?

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I said, whatcha doing?

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And we just sort

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of had this moment.

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And it was funny because right

around that time, they had li the

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Lizzie Borden movie came out with,

uh, Christina Ricci, which I love.

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You know, I, I love the story of Lizzie

Borden and, uh, well, you should know that

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it's right there in Fall River, right?

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Yeah.

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Track 1: I know.

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I've been there.

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I've been to the house in.

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oh my God.

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I wanna go so bad.

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And I had just read a book about

that, that movie had come out.

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So, I mean, I'm really thinking

about ax murdering man.

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It, it's in my brain and, you know, ever.

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Put it down, come back,

put it down, come back.

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But, , finally around a couple

years later, I had left New

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Orleans to go, take care of my mom.

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She, she was suffering from breast cancer,

so I went down to where she was, which

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is about 45 minutes south of the city.

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So I'm still in the vicinity,

but not in the city, and, uh, I

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started it again and I, I

felt like I had carte blanche.

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I think he finally said, okay, go And,

nd so ever since, I say since:

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really been dancing around in my head and.

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After the book is published,

I'm still, it still lingers.

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I still feel

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like he's watching, and who is this guy?

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What is he, and why he picked me to

do it, 'cause there's, when I started,

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there was not many books about him.

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I.

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And since there's been, some really

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great good nonfiction books, good

research, which would've been helpful.

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And then he's was mentioned, um, as sort

of a storyline in, uh, American Horror

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Story, the one, coven and all that.

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So I'm like, wow.

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So

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he's getting some kinda mention, um,

which of course they did very loosely.

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But, yeah.

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I was like, oh man, I've gotta do this.

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You know, it's, it's almost like you're

saying, come on, come on, come on.

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So, he's been dancing

around my head since then.

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You know, it's been a long time.

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Track 1: That night that you

just, described with the sort

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of sleet hitting the we windows.

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It was very Mary Shelly of you , the

night she wrote Frankenstein.

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Track 1: Yeah, the night she wrote

Frankenstein, because that was a storm.

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They were all,

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hunkered down in the storm

and that was a competition.

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Like who can write the best,

horror story, ghost story.

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And of course Mary wrote it

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Sitting around the,

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sitting around the heater

while it's banging.

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So there you go.

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You know, when I think about, true crime

genre as it is today, it can be easy to

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think that it's a new phenomenon, like

it's very recently gained popularity.

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But that's not that, that's not, I

mean, it's been captivating audiences

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for centuries as a genre from Jack

The Ripper to Modern Day Netflix.

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Documentaries like its appeal

is deeply rooted in our human

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psychology for one reason or another.

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And why, in your opinion, as

somebody who lives in this genre.

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Why do you think true crime intrigues so

many people in to such a great extent?

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tell you what the first book that

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I can remember reading, when I

was a kid and when I was growing

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up, I was able to watch a lot of

horror movies and stuff like that.

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Um, much to , the the disagreement

of my mother who hated it.

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But my aunts and uncles, they loved it.

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You know, they, oh, come,

come watch movies with us,

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So I saw this, so my

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poor mother.

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You know, she tried to

pull me away from horror.

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So she gave me the book, Dr.

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Jekyll and Mr.

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Hyde by Robert Lewis Stevenson,

the, the beautiful classic.

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I guess she thought it was benign

enough to make me think like,

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well, it's not gonna be too bad.

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And that was the first time I think the

words, from a book just jumped out at me.

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And, and the book scared

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the shit outta me.

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And I think that's.

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I think looking back on it,

I'm like, why did I like it?

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And it's that sort of innate, human

existence that we try to keep hidden,

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that we know is there, because what

he, you know what Stevenson tried to do?

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He's talking about that.

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He's talking about the dark side

of humanity and how we can be this

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person, but then here's this monster

in the closet, and some of us are

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good at hiding it and some of us.

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Let it roam free, ? And so from the

beginning of time, it's like that.

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And I think to me, that's a great

example of why people think it's,

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it's fascinating, because it, it

is you, it is a reflection of you.

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And that's scary, to know that

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that is part of humanity that

we do kill, or that we do have

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these dark feelings, and I, I

love that it's, it's, there's

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a lot of exploration there.

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Psychology's always been based

on those kinds of things.

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. Would you be surprised to learn that

of all of the true crime podcasts,

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books, documentaries, 68% of the people

who consume that genre are women.

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68%.

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And, and it's funny because, the two books

that I published, the first people to

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buy them were all my aunts and my girl

cousins and all my girlfriend, none of,

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none of my guy friends that, you know,

after finally, you know, and they do read.

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But it was always my aunts

like, oh, I love this.

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I love, they were always my biggest fans.

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They still are.

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It's crazy.

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They would buy them

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up first.

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Um, but, I think you look back on

all these famous, , The, or these

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infamous, should I say, people like

Ted Bundy, Kozinski and all that.

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And some of these guys are

really good looking guys.

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So I think these women see that.

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And it's funny that they're

blinded by this, this persona

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that these people killed people,

you know, and some of them even

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like Ted Bundy, all these women

that love him, but I'm like, he

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killed women, you know, it's crazy.

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So.

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There's different reasons

why I think they're really

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attracted to stuff like that.

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I remember reading an article by

Catherine Rams Lynn, who I really,

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I, I've always enjoyed her work.

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She's a true crime writer

and, uh, professor.

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And she writes about all kinds

of kooky stuff like vampirism

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and ghosts and all that.

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And, she mentions things like,

she talks about that, about,

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um, this sort of a, they call it

the Bonnie and Clyde syndrome,

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The need to know why.

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know, I like our, we don't understand.

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We, we who don't have the capability

of doing that, have a desire to

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understand how anybody could do that.

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Which sort of leads me into my

next statistic, which I thought

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was really interesting that.

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You know, women make up a minority

of law enforcement agents, and

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yet 78% of forensic scientists

in the United States are women.

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I didn't know

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that.

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it's like the women's need to,

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like, I need to understand this.

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I need to get into the

mind of this person.

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I need to know why they did this.

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Or also . Helping the victim like

the victim now doesn't have a voice.

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So forensic scientists will be the voice

of that victim as they try to figure out

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what happened to that person and make

sure whoever did it, is held accountable.

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And people always ask, if you

weren't a writer, what would you be?

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I said, I'd love to be

a homicide detective.

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And for that reason exactly that you

just said, . To be able to clear

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these cases to, give some relief to

these victims and these families

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that, are victimized by this.

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Because, you have this particular

victim that dies, but then you

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have the family that's left with

this, the rest of their lives.

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And, that's really sad.

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, it's a greedy thing.

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And, um, that's something I've always

wanted to do, and also the, the

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curiosity of it, just as you mentioned,

the, the curiosity of what makes someone

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tick like that, how does that happen?

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What, why, how does it start?

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You know, it's funny, I think,

when I think about networking, I,

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I joke a lot when I'm on stage.

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That if you don't know what to talk about

in a networking event, just ask people

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what their favorite murder is, like, what

their favorite unsolved crime is like.

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I was at a dinner party, uh, yeah,

it's, I mean, it is morbid, but I'm

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like, I was at a dinner party once

and I said, okay, and I was in charge.

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I was facilitating it in the

networking, and so I, I said to

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the entire table, okay, okay.

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What is one unsolved crime that

. You would give anything to know

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the answer and like immediately

people are like, JonBenet.

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Okay, JFK.

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Like, like people knew exactly

what True crime, what murder, what

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Unsolved mystery literally lives

rent free in their brain every day.

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I, I can imagine bringing that up and

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the room wouldn't be silent whatsoever.

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You can bring up anything, any kind of

topic and people, uh, but you're right.

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And it's true.

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It's, it's always been a

fascination for people.

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It's, it's so bizarre.

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I mean, it's, once I started

mentioning, the Axman and things like

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that, and people, that reading, after

reading my book, they're like, oh.

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So I started reading books about

Jack the Ripper and Oh, I started

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reading about, these cannibal killers

in twenties, Germany and all that.

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I'm like, what?

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don't normally read horror or do that,

but it's like, it opens this Rubik's cube,

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this Pandora's box of stuff, it's crazy.

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about murder, which is also, I think

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we should talk about like, let's strike

a balance between sort of our morbid

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curiosity and ensuring we don't glorify.

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The genre, as a true crime

writer, how do you balance that?

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Like I, I, I'm morbidly curious.

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I have morbid curiosity.

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I'm very interested, but I

do not want to glorify genre.

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I want to, I want to discover it

and expose it, but not glorify it.

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someone died, someone was killed.

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And so you have to think fantasy or not.

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that's the reality of reality.

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That's what happens.

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And for me, you know, when I, when I

told Wake the Devil, I told the facts.

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I went in there and I did the research.

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And not at any point do I

say, wow, how wonderful.

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He had this great power.

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No, he was terrifying.

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And that's how I painted him.

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And my main character, the

fictional part of the book,

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'cause it is historical fiction.

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Um, I made it a young Italian boy who's

sort of walk, you know, walking through

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all these events because that's who he

initially started killing was, members

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of the Italian community . And just to see

the fear and, just to walk down the street

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and think, wow, I could be next kind of

point, I always kept the victims in mind.

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I even went on one point a few

years ago, I was visiting, new

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Orleans from Mardi Gras and, uh, I

had some friends from Canada and I

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was telling them the story and all

that and they had bought the books.

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Of course it came up and I said, you

know, the graves are still there and

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you know, the locations are still there.

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I went to the graves there and

just to feel that sort of, that

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humanity, that loss, of what really

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happened.

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So, you have to see it from the point

of view of the victims, how that would

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feel, the terror, things like that.

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that, yeah.

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. Um, to switch gears just slightly,

like yesterday, I posted a video on.

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LinkedIn or Instagram, I can't

remember, about, hey, we gotta get

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out there and do in-person networking.

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Like, we gotta take off our yoga

pants, put on big girl pants,

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put on our shoes and get out

to in-person networking events.

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And you sent me a message and

you were like, this, this.

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Rings with me because none

of my friends wanna go back

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out into the world right now.

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And you said, you mentioned something

about you are writing a new book

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that also might sort of dovetail

nicely with this conversation about

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getting back out into the world.

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Let's talk about that a little bit.

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I've noticed, I mean, since, uh,

COVID I find people fall back into

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that comfortability, like, oh yeah,

you know, let's stay home now.

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I, I really wish there, there was

some way we can start dragging

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people back out again because no one

wants to go out and everybody I know

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it's, well, I'm playing video games.

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I'm watching Netflix.

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I'm like, . My gosh, how about we

just go out, we can go to the movies.

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It's sort of like the gay, dating

scene right now and everything's

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just seems to be on apps and

it's driving me nuts because,

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you know, you text, text, text,

text, but it doesn't mean anything.

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After a while everybody starts

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to sound like an AI robot,

you know, that's not any fun.

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You don't know who you're

talking to, you know, , you know,

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it's like, I get that and I love it

because I would talk to people, I'm like,

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Hey, today I'm gonna write my book,

blah, blah, blah, and the answer's like,

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wow, I'm glad you're writing your book.

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Good for you.

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I'm like, Ugh.

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Not even ask what it's about.

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Nothing.

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You know what I'm saying?

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It's this weird sort of,

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you know, distant kind of coldness

and I don't understand that.

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And it's very prevalent right

now and it's driving me nuts.

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People will talk and they'll be on

these profiles and they don't even

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call you, they just want to stay here.

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So it's like, well, how

about we talk on the phone?

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How about we meet up?

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No, no, and I don't wanna do that.

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I'm like, well, you know, it's like,

this is, this is a dating app, you know?

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And so it, it's things like that.

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So, you know, it's, it's

this crazy distance now.

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And, um, It, it bugs me 'cause it

feels like I never see anybody anymore.

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Even like some of my closest friends,

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all they wanna do is text.

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I'm like, why are you texting

me these huge paragraphs

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when I can just talk to you?

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You know?

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And I, you know, maybe I'm old school, but

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Track 1: Right.

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ryan-winter_1_11-07-2023_101815:

there's some disconnect there.

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And I don't like the way it's going.

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And so this, um.

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I basically, uh, did a sci, I'm

doing a sci-fi story, and it's, it's

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around, um, that concept of this

young man who's constantly on these

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apps, never wants to meet anybody.

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And so I, I, this, this book kind

of touches upon that and it has

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a bit of a sci-fi bend, but, um.

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This young man is sort of this person

that I see on these apps all the time.

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And it kind of makes me think,

why, why did they think this?

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Why is this like this?

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Track 1: You've hit on something here

with this, this gay dating app as a

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microcosm of just the general population

and way in the way we communicate now

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or the way we lack of communicating now.

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I was married before match.com came out,

so I have never been on a dating app.

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I didn't, I don't know whether

you swipe left or right or up

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ryan-winter_1_11-07-2023_101815: You're

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Track 1: I don't know how it works.

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you're, you're one of the lucky ones.

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Track 1: Yes, yes.

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ryan-winter_1_11-07-2023_101815: you.

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Track 1: say, how did you.

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ryan-winter_1_11-07-2023_101815: ai.

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Track 1: Yes.

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When people say, how'd

you meet your husband?

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I said, the good old fashioned way.

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Hammered in a bar.

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Like that's how you did it like,

and there was no false advertising.

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I knew exactly what he looked like.

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I knew how tall he was.

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I knew what he sounded like.

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I knew what he weighed.

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Like there's no you.

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He was right there.

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ryan-winter_1_11-07-2023_101815: Exactly.

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No filters.

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I mean,

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you can't, you can't fake it.

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You are, and see, I

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Track 1: No filters.

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ryan-winter_1_11-07-2023_101815: You

know, the sound of someone's voice,

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even, you know, just, just to even talk

on the phone or video chat, come on.

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And if it's one little flaw

and boom, they block and you

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never hear from these people.

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And to me, I, they don't, I

don't think a lot of people

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understand how psychologically

damaging that is, just, especially

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some of these young guys, you know,

I, I try not to block anybody unless

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Track 1: You know what?

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I think you,

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ryan-winter_1_11-07-2023_101815: rude.

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Track 1: I think you're really

opening up something here,

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because I'm doing a lot of.

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Uh, talking to colleges and universities

about networking and business development,

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relationship building, and I had never

thought of the social ramifications

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of blocking, of whatever people are

doing, swiping left on you and you don't

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hear from 'em of ghosting, of cancel

culture on people's abilities to feel

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like they can build relationships.

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I think there's something here.

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ryan-winter_1_11-07-2023_101815: Yeah,

and it's, it's funny because you get

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into these really great conversations

and you might even video chat maybe once

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or get on a phone call and everything's

going great for maybe two weeks.

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Boom, they disappear.

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You know, I don't understand that.

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Track 1: Yeah.

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Well, I'm glad we ended on this talk.

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I, I mean, yes, true crime.

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My guilty pleasure.

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Yes.

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I fully admit it.

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Obviously networking is my love,

so I'm glad we could meld the

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two together in this interview.

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ryan-winter_1_11-07-2023_101815:

Yeah, that's all.

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Well, you're a whizz, Julie.

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I mean, come on.

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I expected nothing less.

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You're a maze ball.

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So I knew, I knew you'd

spin it some kind of way.

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You're, you're, that's just what

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you do,

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Track 1: Yeah.

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Well, thank you joining.

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I really enjoyed this conversation.

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Hey, thanks for taking the time to listen.

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podcast so you never miss a tip.

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And remember, you can unapologetically

be who you authentically are

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and still be wildly successful.

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That's a fact.

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See you next week on This Shit Works.

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Hey, thanks for taking the time to listen.

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Be sure to subscribe to the

podcast so you never miss a tip.

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And remember, you can unapologetically

be who you authentically are

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and still be wildly successful.

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That's a fact.

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See you next week on This Shit Works.

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ryan-winter_1_11-07-2023_101815:

Oh, me too.

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Thank you for having me.

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Thank you.

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This has been great.

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If you're a true crime enthusiasts

like me, you're not alone.

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This genre continues to evolve and

captivate audiences around the world.

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But we have to remember to approach

it with a sense of responsibility

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and empathy for the real life

people and stories behind the cases.

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Empathy.

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That may actually be why women are

drawn to the genre in the first place.

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Some experts argue that women's interests

in true crime may be connected to females.

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Generally higher levels of empathy.

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Dr.

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Howard foreman or forensic psychiatrist

at Montefiore medical center.

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Said that empathy may lead to true

crime, being more interesting to women

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than men simply because if you empathize

more with the victim, it may be more

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relevant to you in more gripping.

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Also.

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Higher levels of empathy and

women may also trigger a greater

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, curiosity, but the backgrounds

of the killers and the criminals.

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Also true crime stories, often

center on the quest for justice.

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We all desire a world where the bad guys

are caught and the innocent are protected.

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The journey from the crime

to justice for that crime.

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Is a compelling narrative arc that

provides closure and reassures

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us that the system can work.

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It's a powerful storytelling element that

taps into our sense of justice and order.

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Whatever the reason our fascination with

true crime doesn't seem to be waning.

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And unfortunately, there doesn't

seem to be an end in sight to the

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commitment of these crimes either.

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Not an easy transition, but okay.

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Onto the drink of the week.

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Which just goes to show that

this genre is everywhere.

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There is an actual book on Amazon

called mixology and murder cocktails

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inspired by infamous serial killers,

cold cases, cults, and other

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disturbing true crime stories.

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And this recipe I'm featuring

is from that book, it's called

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the blood and glove cocktail.

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Named after the incredibly frustrating OJ

Simpson murder trial that was practically

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determined by one bloody glove.

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Remember if it doesn't fit.

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You must acquit.

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Here's what you're going to need.

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Three, four sounds of scotch three,

four, sounds of sweet for Muth

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three fours, ounce of cherry liquor.

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Three-fourths.

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Oh, Jay.

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Got it.

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When Jay.

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Poor all ingredients into a

cocktail shaker with ice cover

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and shake for about 20 seconds.

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Strain into our martini glass

and serve with an orange peel.

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All right, friends.

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That's all for this week.

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If you like what you heard

today, please leave a review

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and subscribe to the podcast.

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Also, please remember to share the podcast

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If you want more Julia brown you can

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or barnes and noble You can find me on

linkedin at julie brown pd just let me

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know where you found me when you reach

out I am julie brown underscore bd on

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over to my website julie brown bd.com.

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