How to Be Awesomer with Kevin Kepple

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Okay.

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I have a lot in common with today's.

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We both think we're funny and have spouses that would beg to differ.

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We both escape to the mountains with our dogs that have human names.

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We love to bike, and his drink of choices is Topo Chico.

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Mine as well.

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If you rim that glass with a little tine and then toss them tequila and

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lime into it, welcome to episode 1 33 of this Shit Works, a podcast dedicated

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to all things networking relationship.

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Building in business development.

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I'm your host, Julie Brown, professional speaker, author, and networking coach,

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and today I am joined by my new friend, Kevin Keel, to discuss loads of different

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things, including how to be awesomer.

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So.

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Who is this Kevin person you ask?

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Well, he's a transformative business coach, working with business owners and

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executives to help them create clarity in their business, massive impact with their

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leadership and freedom in their lives.

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He is also the host of the Unlock Your Freedom podcast with weekly

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episodes where Kevin provides.

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Step-by-step training, coaching, and accountability to leaders who want to take

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their life in business to the next level.

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Well, doesn't that sound fabulous?

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So without further ado, let's get started.

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Kevin, welcome to the podcast,

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What's up Julie?

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Glad to be here.

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Has anybody ever told you you have like the best radio voice,

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Yeah, I might've heard that.

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Uh, I'm like, my best friend's, like, dude, you have the perfect face for radio.

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I'm like, that's an old joke, but screw you either way, man.

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Oh, oh yeah.

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I was the first thing I thought when I listened to your podcast.

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I was like, how damn.

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That is a voice All right.

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I'm gonna start off.

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I've listened to a bunch about your podcasts.

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I've listened to other people interview, gone through some of your coaching

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programs, and you have this thing that you have said that if you want more

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out of life, it's not simply about doing more, it's about being more.

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And I'm gonna come in and say, isn't that a little.

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Uh, let's see, against the grain of where we are right now with people saying like,

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burnout culture, and you are enough, and like, let's do the anti hussle.

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Like, don't like, Hmm.

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Let's just dive into that as a topping a as a talking point,

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I think the reason I like to repeat that frequently is so that Kevin

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can hear it again and again and again because you know, Peter Drucker has that

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great quote in the Efficient Executive where he said, you know, there's nothing

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so useless as doing efficiently, that which shouldn't be done at all and.

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And I always think, like the example in my head is like, you know, my wife comes home

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from, we're doing whatever she's doing.

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She's like, what'd you do all day?

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I was like, well, I trimmed the whole front yard by hand

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with a pair of scissors.

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Look at it.

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It's awesome.

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It took me 12 hours, perfect uniform.

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But you know what?

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That's busy.

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I don't wanna be busy.

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I wanna be productive.

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And you know, like you mentioned, the podcast is unlock your freedom.

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Freedom means, you know, creating the way I wanna create

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with who I wanna create with.

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And if I'm simply busy.

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That busyness leads to some form of resistance generally, and that resistance

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leads to stress, which leads to overstress and then a bump up against people and

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spill out all over 'em and things I don't want so busy, not productive,

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I guess, would be the short answer.

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but isn't busy such a thing right now where it's like

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a, it's like a badge of honor.

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Look how busy I am.

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It's a question that most people get when you, when somebody says, how are you?

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The two questions you're probably gonna, or three answers you're probably

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gonna get are fine, good, and busy.

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Like it's a badge of honor.

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Yeah.

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And I, I think that is, uh, a reaction, right?

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And, you know, anytime we're reacting, it's like we have two

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choices we can create, we can react.

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And if I react, that's just resistance.

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That's the ego.

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And you know, the ego, it has to.

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Identify with something, and so it identifies with busy.

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Like, look at me.

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I'm busy.

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I'm awesome.

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I'm like, cool man.

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That just means you haven't figured out a smart way to do it yet.

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I mean, isn't that sort of like the American way though?

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What I mean by that is, We are brought up on a steady diet of work, work, work,

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work, work, and it's, you almost feel bad if you are successful or make a

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lot of money in a short amount of time.

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Absolutely.

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I mean, that was my model.

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I mean, my grandfather worked at, you know, his tail off and created, you

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know, a nice life for himself and his family and came from little and my dad

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on, you know, that was on my mom's side.

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My dad was a CPA and man, I don't know if you know this,

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but accountants love to work.

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Oh my gosh.

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Like he would work.

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12, 13 hours a day.

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Like, and not just tax season, like he would crush it.

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I never once heard him complain about work.

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It was his company.

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But I mean, you still complain even if it's your company.

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And uh, and it was just amazing this model that I had, and then I, you know,

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felt guilty anytime I wasn't working.

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But if I'm constantly going, like, where's the recovery?

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You know, where's that regenerative stuff?

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And if my spring is always sprung, there's no power in it.

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So I have a que This leads me to a great question.

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So my husband's an architect and architects very much will.

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Extended hours.

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And it's almost like they just love working.

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They love designing, they love putting, you know, it used to be

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pen to paper and now it's, you know, your mouse to your Revit drawing and

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just kneeling away on, on things.

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And I always have this, this joke that I say the most architects die at their desk.

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Like they just can't give up the job.

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And how do you work with people who say, I love my job, I love

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what I do, but I do it too much.

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Yeah, I mean, pretty much everybody that I work with,

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because most of the clients I have.

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Successful, but they're just feeling stuck somewhere.

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Whether, you know, it could be financially, physically, emotionally,

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mentally, or, you know, pretty much how I do anything is how I do everything.

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So if I'm stuck in one area, I'm probably stuck kind of across the board.

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And, you know, you brought up an architect that's very similar to

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an accountant like you kind of alluded to, you know, or a lawyer

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or an engineer or maybe a professor.

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Like any of those kind of late people, right?

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That acronym and, and it's.

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Like, in my humble opinion, that they're so pragmatic and logical

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about everything and that makes sense.

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I need to use reason and logic of course, but if that's all I

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use, that's very finite, right?

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Because that confines me to what I know if I'm being pragmatic and I wanna leverage

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the infinite side of my nature and, you know, the, like that heart stuff,

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you know, the unlimited parts of me.

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And I just think that we give away so much power and we don't,

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you know, live in that space as.

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Do.

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People who work in that logic part have a hard time tapping into the heart part.

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Yeah,

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Why do you think that is?

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Like, do you think that, like you, it's almost like if you are really on

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the logical side, are you not so much on the heart side, like, or, or is it

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just something you haven't tapped into?

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Uh, maybe a little bit of both.

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I think it's just, it's risky to somebody who's super pragmatic to go

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into the emotional side because it's unknown and you know, like anytime

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I'm creating right, that's unknown and creativity's always a little, and I need

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to be comfortable being uncomfortable.

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And I mean, you're a business owner, you know that like if I ha if I have all of

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the answers, then I'm gonna have, you know, a pretty much kind of a Groundhog

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day life because I'm sticking to what I already know and that can cause me to live

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my parents' life perhaps, or to live, you know, this life that I've had forever.

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And you know, the one constant we have.

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Is change, right?

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Things are gonna change, right?

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Like, cool, so, so what?

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And that's really good news, but I need to be open to making a new decision

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about myself, about the world I live in.

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I've heard you talk a lot about this thing called the influence equation.

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Can you tell the listeners what the Influence Equation is?

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Sure.

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Um, so for contrast, which gives us clarity, right?

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Like see Kevin and age 15 to 30, I worked it backwards, which is completely wrong.

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Go.

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And so I would just start with the vision as a leader.

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You know, I got promoted when I was in a sales role when I was young.

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So I was good at sales and like, you're in charge now.

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Like sweet.

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So I just started telling people what to do, right?

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Here's the vision, go get it.

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And nobody cared.

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And especially when I wasn't around, right?

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Cuz they didn't feel connected.

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And so the influence equation, it's trust, connection, and vision.

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Because you know, basically everybody's.

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Of a leader, which leadership is influenced according to John

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Maxwell, godfather of leadership.

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Right?

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And if I, if I trust you, that's great.

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Cause that means I feel safe around you.

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And unless I feel safe, I'm not gonna be vulnerable.

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And again, creativity's risky.

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So I have to be vulnerable to create something new.

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And if you wanna create.

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A championship of any kind, whether it's, you know, your professional

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team, uh, little league baseball team, a PTA or whatever, people

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have to grow as individuals and grow together as a team, right?

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That's how we coate and co-create together.

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But if there's no trust, then there's definitely no connection.

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And if I don't, you know, feel safe around you and feel connected

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to you, I definitely don't feel connected to your vision.

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I definitely don't really have nearly as much drive to co-create it with you.

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Mm-hmm.

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I love this next question because I talk a lot about work working with people,

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especially around the idea of creating content around what they do, and I

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always call it their, their genius zone.

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And I think other people have used that term before and you.

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Have another way of saying it.

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You say you help leaders align with their natural genius.

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So number one, what is natural genius?

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Number two, does everybody have it?

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So in that regard, I would say yes because like to me, genius has so much

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more to do with habits than talent, right.

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Because I have a certification from Gallup.

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Coach with Strength Finders, right?

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What Strength Finders identifies formerly Strength Finders.

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Now it's called Clifton Strengths.

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Same exact assessment, but what it identifies are your natural talents.

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And so of the thousands of reports that I've seen from people on this,

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there's always 34 talents listed the same, 34, just a different order.

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And what's what's rare is people who can use those talents on

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demands as strengths or superpowers.

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That's what's rare.

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And they've gotten to the habit of using, you know, their.

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Expression of themselves on demand.

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And like, you know, I'm left-handed when I was a little Kevin, my mom's

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like, Hey, you're left-handed.

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I'm like, cool, what does that mean?

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And she means if you learn how to write your letters, you can write

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left-handed and you know, whatever.

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And I learned how to write at age.

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I don't know how old we are when we learned to write six or whatever.

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And so yeah, I was like 10.

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Like, no, that doesn't seem right.

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But anyways, like shortly, , shortly

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grade.

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Yeah, I was like 16.

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I learned to drive and ride about the same time.

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I was a stubborn

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I do both.

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Yeah, Hey lefties, do it.

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Right.

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So basically my growth of that strength of writing left-handed,

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stopped shortly after I learned how to write because I learned cursive, but

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I don't know how to use it anymore.

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Cause I never write in cursive and so I don't try to develop that strength.

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Right?

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It's stopped and that's okay.

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It can be static.

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I don't get paid for my handwriting.

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But with these natural talents that we all have, like the patterns of

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behavior, we have the most energy.

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Like that's what I want to constantly develop.

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I'm a new version of me every day, and I could do better every day.

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And you know, these are my superpowers and so I wanna make sure that I

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understand how to use 'em on demand.

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And so that's kind of the natural expression of our genius.

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What are some of these 34 natural talent?

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and, and, and everybody has this 34 to some degree, is what you're saying.

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Yeah.

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So there's only 34 total.

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Right.

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And there's always 34 listed on the report.

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They're just in a different order and.

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Gallup has been collecting data since their early 19 hundreds.

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They started out with like farming data, right?

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They're really good at collecting data and they've given this assessment

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like 33 million times plus now, and there's like a one in 22 million.

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Percent likelihood that you'd have the same top five in the

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same order as somebody else.

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Like very, very rare.

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Like we all know that we're different, but what do we do?

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We play the worst game in the world, right?

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We play the comparison game.

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I look at Julie Brown and I'm like, man, she is crushing it.

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She is animated, she is awesome, and I'm none of those things, right?

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And so I feel inferior or you know, vice versa.

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Look at somebody and I'm like, oh, they can't even get the shoes on today.

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Like, I feel superior.

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And like both of those are a huge disconnect, right?

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And you know, theatre R.

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Comparison is the thief of joy.

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Like I don't want to rob myself of.

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And it's really, really powerful though.

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We have this assessment, it shows our natural talents, and when I combine the

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different talents together and really understand what it looks like on demand,

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that's great because that's what, uh, gives me the balcony behavior, so to

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speak, which is what I'm using about my talents in a positive and productive way.

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What's really cool about the Streamliners assessment is it also shows you the base.

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Which is when you give all your power away with your strengths

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and make it all about you.

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And so you ask for an example, like, number one strength

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for me is called maximizer.

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I love things that are awesome, like Julie Brown, she's awesome, and I wanna see

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what the next level of Julie looks like.

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I wanna see what the next, and the next, I wanna see what awesome IR looks like.

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And the reason she used that made up word earlier.

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It's from like a podcast where I, I broke English to title it, so thank

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you for doing such good homework.

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was so funny.

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I loved it.

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But, uh, with maximizer, what?

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That's the balcony, you know, helping people just throw more logs

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on the fire of their greatness.

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Like whatever the next level of their evolution of greatness looks like.

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The basement on maximizer is, we get really frustrated with

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anything that's not awesome.

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It's like, how why'd you even try if you can't do like, the best thing that's ever

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been done here, why even getting started or pos, you know it, but it's really cool.

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To have these framed up for us.

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When I first took this, I worked in finance and positivity

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is my number two strength.

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And nobody else was very excited or positive about things.

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And so I would turn positivity way down like, well, everybody

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else isn't so excited.

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Why should I be?

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And, and that's a massive, you knows, Strength to have a good attitude and,

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you know, just really understanding that, you know what, this assessment

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gave me permission to be me.

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Not that I needed it, but I would like look at my brother who's pretty much my

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direct opposite as a, as far as talent.

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And I'd feel bad cuz he's patient and methodical and I'm not.

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I have activators, one of my strengths, it means like, I just

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wanna jump off the cliff, build the wings on the way down, right?

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Like Johnny Carson said.

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Yes, I mean this, um, I think whenever you take a test that can sort

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of break down why you do the things you do and, and tell you that they

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are, you are born with those tendencies and those instincts is really helpful.

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Uh, I felt like that when I did my Meyers-Briggs.

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I felt like that when I did my Enneagram test.

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It was just very much.

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Okay.

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This I, this is who I am, and now I have to play into these strengths

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and recognize my weaknesses.

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So are you a three or a seven on the gram?

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I am an eight.

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Eight.

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Eight?

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Yeah.

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I thought that might be it.

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Two.

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Cuz.

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So you gotta have the seven wing though, right?

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Like to enjoy.

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yep.

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Yeah.

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You, you guys, you ate, man, y'all are a handful

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Oh yeah.

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You know, like all, I think every c e O that I work with and I've

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worked with in the past was an eight.

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Like, you guys are so interesting because you like the conflict,

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like that's how y'all process.

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You like to push and be pushed

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Yeah, so my, if you know anything about numerology, my life patch path

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number is a seven, but my numerologist told me I had lived my entire life as

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an eight, like trying to be an eight.

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Like I will not conform to the seven

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That sounds like a eight for sure.

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On the Enneagram.

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I'll do it my way.

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I'm gonna do 'em my way.

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I'm gonna put this square peg into a round hole, that's for sure.

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Yeah.

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Mm-hmm.

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, hammer it right in there.

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, even if

Kevin: 00:16:00

Yeah, and get a, get a wedged in there.

Kevin: 00:16:01

Real good because, Why wouldn't I?

Kevin: 00:16:04

It's my whole, I'll do whatever I want with it.

Julie: 00:16:06

I wanna go back to something you said, because I do love that quote

Julie: 00:16:10

about comparison being the thief of joy.

Julie: 00:16:15

I would love to know if you have a trick to stop comparing yourself to other.

Kevin: 00:16:23

Yeah.

Kevin: 00:16:24

Stop having an opinion about everything

Julie: 00:16:26

Okay.

Julie: 00:16:27

Do you have a trick to stop an opinion to everything?

Kevin: 00:16:31

Yeah.

Kevin: 00:16:33

Yeah.

Kevin: 00:16:34

Learn to master the skill of choosing love over fear.

Kevin: 00:16:36

And you can do that by being intentional about being kind

Kevin: 00:16:38

more than you're being right.

Kevin: 00:16:40

You know?

Kevin: 00:16:40

Cause like I don't walk away from people who are right about

Kevin: 00:16:42

everything and feel good about.

Kevin: 00:16:45

But, you know, kindness is such a, a high emotion and it puts you in heart coherence

Kevin: 00:16:51

when you're, you know, in a kind place.

Kevin: 00:16:52

So, you know, you're instantly connected to the infinite part of your nature just

Kevin: 00:16:56

through kindness or, you know, compassion or whatever that really high regenerative

Kevin: 00:17:00

feeling is, but kind as opposed to right.

Kevin: 00:17:02

Like that right there, that'll change your life.

Julie: 00:17:05

Kind over.

Julie: 00:17:05

I do like that I, I'm going hundred percent transparent.

Julie: 00:17:10

I like lean more to the right side of, I'm like, oh, I've right about this.

Julie: 00:17:17

My nana, before she died, she was like, you always have to have last.

Julie: 00:17:20

I was like, what

Kevin: 00:17:23

That's bright Nana.

Julie: 00:17:25

did you say?

Julie: 00:17:26

Something

Kevin: 00:17:26

Cut the crust, dolphin Uh,

Julie: 00:17:33

I'd have to work on that kindness thing.

Julie: 00:17:35

People say I'm, I'm nice person.

Julie: 00:17:36

Eh, I'm, I'm begged to differ.

Julie: 00:17:39

Um, I do kind things.

Julie: 00:17:41

I just don't think I'm an overall kind person.

Julie: 00:17:45

, I don't know.

Julie: 00:17:46

I should work on that.

Julie: 00:17:47

I should, I should show, sign up for your coaching.

Julie: 00:17:49

We should just work on the kindness for me.

Kevin: 00:17:54

I think you're very kind.

Julie: 00:17:58

you don't know me that well,

Kevin: 00:18:02

Kindness to me means wishing, you know, happiness for

Kevin: 00:18:04

others, right, or for ourselves.

Julie: 00:18:08

I don't, so I did an episode on the German word sh Shaham Freud, which

Julie: 00:18:13

is finding joy in other people's misery.

Julie: 00:18:16

And I tried to wonder about myself.

Julie: 00:18:18

I'm like, do I revel in other people's misfortune?

Julie: 00:18:21

Like I don't like I karma a kinda person.

Julie: 00:18:25

I dunno.

Julie: 00:18:26

Probably gotta be honest, probably a little bit

Kevin: 00:18:31

Well, I want everybody listening to raise their hand if they've never

Kevin: 00:18:34

had that thought in their life.

Kevin: 00:18:35

And everybody that's got their hand up right now, you're a liar.

Kevin: 00:18:37

Uh, but no, I'm just, I'm just kidding.

Julie: 00:18:42

It's true.

Julie: 00:18:43

I it, it's true.

Julie: 00:18:45

I also like, so I, I, I'm trying to like tap into a lot of the little

Julie: 00:18:49

nuggets I learned from you in listening to the podcasts and stuff.

Julie: 00:18:52

So I listeners, I apologize that there is not a tangent Oh,

Julie: 00:18:56

a direct line on this podcast.

Julie: 00:18:58

There is not an arc to this story.

Julie: 00:19:00

We are just going in a lot of different directions.

Julie: 00:19:03

It's all tangents.

Julie: 00:19:04

Um, I've heard you say that a lot of people.

Julie: 00:19:09

Just live in the past.

Julie: 00:19:10

Like that's where they ex, they, uh, exist.

Julie: 00:19:14

Um, and you want people to live in the present, but how, it just seems like

Julie: 00:19:19

a very difficult thing to do is to not constantly think about your past, what

Julie: 00:19:25

you could have done, what you could have said, what could be different.

Julie: 00:19:28

So how do you te teach people to live in the, live, in the

Julie: 00:19:33

present and focus on the future?

Kevin: 00:19:38

Great question.

Kevin: 00:19:38

So I heard this really.

Kevin: 00:19:41

Trick once it's called being kind more than you're being right.

Kevin: 00:19:44

And you know, one of the ways you get there, , oh, you're so funny.

Kevin: 00:19:49

Okay, so one of the ways that you can really practice that

Kevin: 00:19:51

is by being graceful, right?

Kevin: 00:19:53

Like, you know what?

Kevin: 00:19:54

Like, there's so many things in the past I would've done

Kevin: 00:19:56

differently, but you know what?

Kevin: 00:19:58

There's nothing I can do about that.

Kevin: 00:19:59

And that's just more ego, right?

Kevin: 00:20:01

And so I need to really let.

Kevin: 00:20:03

And be present to my life because otherwise, like one of my

Kevin: 00:20:08

strengths is called futuristic.

Kevin: 00:20:09

And I, I love to think about what could be, but if I say stuck

Kevin: 00:20:12

in the future, I get anxious.

Kevin: 00:20:13

Right.

Kevin: 00:20:13

And anxiety is my reward.

Kevin: 00:20:15

Yeah.

Kevin: 00:20:15

I need to look and see where I'm going.

Kevin: 00:20:17

But you know what?

Kevin: 00:20:18

Like you've got to release expectations.

Kevin: 00:20:20

because if I have expectations of the way I should have showed up in the

Kevin: 00:20:22

past or the way you should show up now, if I need myself to be a certain

Kevin: 00:20:26

way to be okay, or I need you to be a certain way, for me to be okay,

Kevin: 00:20:30

that's gonna be a really hard life.

Kevin: 00:20:32

You know?

Kevin: 00:20:32

But like it's really cool that we get to go through and experience life, right?

Kevin: 00:20:37

Like, and it's all over the place.

Kevin: 00:20:39

But if I'm constantly thinking about what's already happened or what's gonna

Kevin: 00:20:44

happen, I can miss out on like the beauty.

Kevin: 00:20:47

Life itself.

Kevin: 00:20:49

And that doesn't mean I'm like, I'm, you know, infallible to this, right?

Kevin: 00:20:54

Like, I think about what's already happened.

Kevin: 00:20:55

I think about what's coming.

Kevin: 00:20:56

But you know what, like if I need to make amends, I make amends and move on.

Kevin: 00:20:59

But if I'm carrying around all this baggage from the past,

Kevin: 00:21:03

like, dude, that's not fair.

Kevin: 00:21:04

That's average.

Kevin: 00:21:05

Anybody can do that.

Kevin: 00:21:07

And if I wanna be above average, I have to treat myself above average.

Kevin: 00:21:10

And you know, part of that is practicing the skill of being present.

Julie: 00:21:15

How can people, somebody notice if they're not present?

Kevin: 00:21:19

When you're thinking about the past or thinking about the future, or you

Julie: 00:21:24

simple question, simple answer, I guess like, but what do you say about,

Julie: 00:21:27

okay, so if we're supposed to live in the prison, I feel like we're constantly being

Julie: 00:21:30

told that we need to plan for the future.

Julie: 00:21:32

What are you doing for the future?

Julie: 00:21:33

What are your plans?

Julie: 00:21:34

What are your three months plans?

Julie: 00:21:35

What's your five year plan?

Julie: 00:21:36

What's your 10 year plan like?

Julie: 00:21:37

We're constantly planning for the future, like, and that's

Julie: 00:21:41

what we're told to do, aren't we?

Kevin: 00:21:44

But like, yeah, that the goals are great, but I'm not married to the

Kevin: 00:21:47

goals I have because I created a goal with the information I have today.

Kevin: 00:21:52

And you know what?

Kevin: 00:21:53

Until I get into action, I really don't have any feedback.

Kevin: 00:21:56

Well, once I get into action and start getting feedback, I may realize

Kevin: 00:21:59

that this isn't what I want at all.

Kevin: 00:22:00

And so going back to expectations, like that's why expectations are so dangerous.

Kevin: 00:22:05

Like if I expect.

Kevin: 00:22:07

Do this and you don't, then you failed.

Kevin: 00:22:09

If I expect you to do this and you did, then cool.

Kevin: 00:22:11

That's what I expected.

Kevin: 00:22:12

Like, there's no winning with expectations.

Kevin: 00:22:15

It's like, ah, I prefer it works out this way.

Kevin: 00:22:17

But you know what?

Kevin: 00:22:19

I don't have all the information in the universe, right?

Kevin: 00:22:21

I don't have his plan.

Kevin: 00:22:23

Uh, all I do have is access to the present moment.

Kevin: 00:22:26

And you know, again, like I mentioned, futuristics, one of my strengths.

Kevin: 00:22:29

I can catch myself rushing through things I actually love doing to

Kevin: 00:22:32

get to something I hate, right?

Kevin: 00:22:33

Or that's a strong word,

Julie: 00:22:34

right?

Julie: 00:22:35

Yeah.

Kevin: 00:22:37

Why?

Kevin: 00:22:38

Why?

Julie: 00:22:39

I feel like I'm the kind of person who looks forward to the future, and once

Julie: 00:22:42

I'm there, I'm like, okay, what's next?

Julie: 00:22:44

Like, I don't ever take the time.

Julie: 00:22:46

And when I was in therapy, I even told this to my therapist.

Julie: 00:22:49

I was like, I, I'm like, I'm so excited to get where we're going.

Julie: 00:22:51

And then once we're going on board, there we're, I'm board

Julie: 00:22:54

and I'm like, what's next?

Julie: 00:22:55

Like, I'm constantly in a state of agitation about where I'm at

Julie: 00:22:59

because I want what's ever next.

Julie: 00:23:01

No matter how much I looked forward to being in that spot

Julie: 00:23:04

on the, on the way there.

Kevin: 00:23:08

You ever read any Eckhart Toll?

Julie: 00:23:10

No.

Julie: 00:23:11

Should I, is that my homework assignment?

Kevin: 00:23:14

I might get into that.

Kevin: 00:23:16

Um, he likes to go super deep, but really powerful.

Kevin: 00:23:18

The power of now new Earth or stillness speaks like any of

Kevin: 00:23:23

those are pretty phenomenal.

Kevin: 00:23:25

If it means anything to anyone, new Earth was on Oprah's book list.

Kevin: 00:23:28

Um, I'm not sure why they put that on Kindle to tell you, but there you have it.

Kevin: 00:23:33

And one of the, one of the things he really talks about, He talks about the

Kevin: 00:23:36

ego really well, and just accepting like the isness of the present moment is a

Kevin: 00:23:41

really cool gift we can give ourselves.

Kevin: 00:23:43

You know, whatever it is, is no matter whatever story I make up about it.

Kevin: 00:23:46

And it's always the stories of the ego that get us sideways, you know, telling

Kevin: 00:23:51

us, you know, we should be this, you.

Kevin: 00:23:53

If we get this thing, then we'll be okay.

Kevin: 00:23:55

If we get rid of this thing, we'll be okay and I don't need anything to be okay.

Kevin: 00:23:59

I'm okay.

Kevin: 00:24:00

Like by default, you know, cuz happiness is inside us always.

Kevin: 00:24:04

It can just get covered up by a lot of stuff.

Kevin: 00:24:06

That just isn't true.

Julie: 00:24:08

Are you saying our ego isn't good?

Julie: 00:24:11

Like is there no

Kevin: 00:24:12

The

Julie: 00:24:13

characteristics or to the ego like that help us?

Julie: 00:24:17

Like it might be

Kevin: 00:24:18

mean the, there's probably a healthy side and I'm talking

Kevin: 00:24:20

about the narcissistic ego.

Julie: 00:24:22

Mm

Kevin: 00:24:23

The, that dark side of us that we think we need to hide

Kevin: 00:24:26

and act like it doesn't exist.

Kevin: 00:24:27

Right.

Kevin: 00:24:28

Like the part where you're, you know, celebrating others' defeat, right?

Kevin: 00:24:31

Or

Julie: 00:24:31

Shot em.

Julie: 00:24:32

Freuder.

Kevin: 00:24:32

it's.

Kevin: 00:24:33

Yeah, , that's a great word.

Kevin: 00:24:35

But, but there's like ego blending, right?

Kevin: 00:24:37

Like, I wanna blend with that energy.

Kevin: 00:24:39

I want all of my energy, you know, directed at what I do want, because

Kevin: 00:24:42

whatever I'm focused on, that's, you know, what's gonna expand.

Kevin: 00:24:45

And energy always flows to the path of least resistance, right?

Kevin: 00:24:48

That's water flows downhill.

Kevin: 00:24:50

, and if you know the least amount of resistance is me accepting these

Kevin: 00:24:55

false stories of the ego that I'm not enough, you're not enough, we're not

Kevin: 00:24:58

enough, it's not enough, whatever.

Kevin: 00:25:00

If that's what I accept, that's the path of least resistance, and that's

Kevin: 00:25:04

why I keep getting the same patterns of behavior that I probably don't want.

Julie: 00:25:08

Mm.

Julie: 00:25:10

This makes me think of something that I heard you say in another one

Julie: 00:25:13

of your episodes that, sorry, that overthinking will leave lead to sadness.

Kevin: 00:25:22

And I said that

Julie: 00:25:24

you did say

Kevin: 00:25:24

was I talking about?

Kevin: 00:25:26

But I, I think that's a good point.

Julie: 00:25:28

you were, you were, I'm referencing a, a quote from Thoreau

Julie: 00:25:31

that it's not what sh what you look at it, it's, it's what you see.

Kevin: 00:25:35

Mm.

Kevin: 00:25:37

Well, think about it.

Kevin: 00:25:38

Like there's another really cool author I like to read his name's Anthony Dlo.

Kevin: 00:25:42

Um, and he, gosh, what'd he say?

Kevin: 00:25:45

He said The the Way to Love is one of his really well known books.

Kevin: 00:25:48

It's awesome.

Kevin: 00:25:49

Um, he's also got one called Awareness that's pretty good.

Kevin: 00:25:52

I think that's the name of it.

Kevin: 00:25:53

But he's, he said something to the effect of, it's not the people

Kevin: 00:25:56

around you, the places you're in that make you happy or unhappy.

Kevin: 00:26:00

It's the thinking in your head, you know.

Kevin: 00:26:03

We could be in the same situation and having two completely different

Kevin: 00:26:06

experiences because of the thoughts and then the emotional

Kevin: 00:26:09

reaction to the little thoughts.

Kevin: 00:26:09

Like, you know, I told you about my brother a little

Kevin: 00:26:12

bit, and my brother's awesome.

Kevin: 00:26:13

He's one of my best friends and my hero, he's two years older than

Kevin: 00:26:15

me, but I always joke with him, I'm like, dude, you're boring.

Kevin: 00:26:17

Like 70 years old.

Kevin: 00:26:18

You know?

Kevin: 00:26:18

He's like, why is it mature and boring?

Kevin: 00:26:20

Right.

Kevin: 00:26:20

No, he is awesome.

Kevin: 00:26:21

But like he loves to fish, right?

Kevin: 00:26:23

And he called me, he was telling me about this like three day fishing thing and like

Kevin: 00:26:26

Cobbles San Lucas with his friends and.

Kevin: 00:26:29

And they got done.

Kevin: 00:26:29

I was like, I'm sorry dude, I nodded it off as soon as you said fishing.

Kevin: 00:26:32

What were we talking about?

Kevin: 00:26:33

Right?

Kevin: 00:26:33

Because like fishing is the opposite of fun to me, and that's okay.

Kevin: 00:26:36

Like we don't have to like all the same things,

Julie: 00:26:38

I I love that you said like he was born 70 because there are,

Julie: 00:26:42

there have been people in my life, there are people in my life that you

Julie: 00:26:44

can just tell they're an old soul.

Julie: 00:26:47

Like they just, they, they seem to have Bo been born with

Julie: 00:26:51

more experiences than a newborn

Kevin: 00:26:56

He's just so good at life.

Kevin: 00:26:57

I'm like, how are you so good at life?

Kevin: 00:26:58

Like even his baby pictures, he's got this like adult serious like,

Kevin: 00:27:01

like he could tell, he is just like, what's everybody's problem?

Kevin: 00:27:04

You know, like,

Julie: 00:27:07

This, I, I'm curious about this poll that how you find out your talents.

Julie: 00:27:12

Where does someone go to take that test, that poll, to find out

Julie: 00:27:16

their, their talents and also the bottom floor of their talents?

Julie: 00:27:18

The weaknesses,

Kevin: 00:27:19

Sure.

Kevin: 00:27:20

So Gallup is phenomenal with this assessment.

Kevin: 00:27:23

It's amazing.

Kevin: 00:27:24

Their online communication is super confusing and

Kevin: 00:27:27

frustrating and not functional.

Kevin: 00:27:28

So, Forgive me in advance if you have trouble, but it used to be called Strength

Kevin: 00:27:33

Finders In the middle of the pandemic.

Kevin: 00:27:35

They rebranded it to Clifton's Strengths Assessment for no reason except to

Kevin: 00:27:39

change the name, which that's what you do when you have a great product, right?

Kevin: 00:27:42

You change a name so nobody can find it.

Kevin: 00:27:44

If you Google Clifton's Strengths Assessment, it'll get you there.

Kevin: 00:27:49

Or you can buy the book Strength Funders 2.0 from Amazon, and they give you

Kevin: 00:27:53

the assessment as part of the book.

Kevin: 00:27:55

Uh, but I can give you a.

Kevin: 00:27:57

To go to, if you want to drop in the show notes

Julie: 00:27:59

I could put in the show notes.

Julie: 00:28:00

Okay.

Julie: 00:28:01

I'll get that link.

Kevin: 00:28:01

Yeah.

Kevin: 00:28:02

And there's two versions.

Kevin: 00:28:02

There's like, and it's not a complete portrait of your character,

Kevin: 00:28:05

like Ni Myers Brigg is, right?

Kevin: 00:28:07

Like, Hey, here's you.

Kevin: 00:28:08

Right.

Kevin: 00:28:09

This is your natural talents, the natural patterns of behavior.

Kevin: 00:28:12

We have the most energy and directed in the proper way.

Kevin: 00:28:15

You know, the, the most abundant results

Julie: 00:28:20

and

Kevin: 00:28:21

and what it looks like when you give it all away.

Julie: 00:28:23

so.

Julie: 00:28:24

But information is not, information is great, but you have to know

Julie: 00:28:29

how to use that information.

Julie: 00:28:31

So say I get it back, and it was like, okay, these are my five strengths.

Julie: 00:28:34

Like how would I learn how to use it?

Julie: 00:28:36

Is that some is, do people come to you and say, or do you, is do

Julie: 00:28:40

everybody who works with you take this assessment and you teach them

Julie: 00:28:44

how to use their strengths or what?

Julie: 00:28:46

What They're like digs.

Julie: 00:28:48

I'm just trying to figure that out.

Kevin: 00:28:50

Sure.

Kevin: 00:28:50

Well, they give you like a pretty extensive report, and they have a decent

Kevin: 00:28:53

podcast too, where they explain it.

Kevin: 00:28:55

But I mean, if you get around a coach, It's gonna help tremendously

Kevin: 00:28:58

too because, you know, you could give me a guitar and I could smash

Kevin: 00:29:02

it like Garth Brooks and I could make sounds with it, but it's not music.

Kevin: 00:29:06

Right?

Kevin: 00:29:06

But if you give it to Jimmy Hendrix, if he was still alive,

Kevin: 00:29:09

same as exact guitar, right?

Kevin: 00:29:11

He's gonna make some pretty cool stuff come out of it, right?

Kevin: 00:29:14

And so is Strength Finders.

Kevin: 00:29:15

This is the same thing, like it's the art of you, but you gotta

Kevin: 00:29:17

understand how to play it, right?

Kevin: 00:29:19

How to play your notes, like how are you bringing, you know,

Kevin: 00:29:21

whatever your art is into the world.

Kevin: 00:29:23

And.

Kevin: 00:29:24

Different coaches are gonna do it different ways.

Kevin: 00:29:26

It's not better or worse, but, um, just, you know, find, find a way to get

Kevin: 00:29:32

this information inside of you because this is your superpowers right here.

Kevin: 00:29:35

And it's wild because, you know, I've worked with like thousands of people

Kevin: 00:29:39

with this tool through groups and one-on-one and seminars and all that, and.

Kevin: 00:29:44

Um, hot performers.

Kevin: 00:29:46

I'm like, Hey, tell me your top strengths again.

Kevin: 00:29:48

And they start looking through their phone or looking through

Kevin: 00:29:50

their computer or whatever.

Kevin: 00:29:52

I'm like, so if you have this cheat sheet to what your greatest level of performance

Kevin: 00:29:56

can look like, like don't you think you should take the time to memorize it?

Kevin: 00:30:00

At least?

Kevin: 00:30:00

Cause it's only a few.

Kevin: 00:30:02

And I'm like, what if we met like Superman and he had to look through

Kevin: 00:30:04

his phone to tell us before he could, you know, oh my God, I could fly.

Kevin: 00:30:07

Look, it says right here.

Julie: 00:30:08

Sorry, I put my cape on

Kevin: 00:30:09

right.

Kevin: 00:30:10

Yeah.

Kevin: 00:30:11

Yeah, the jokes are free you guys, so get your money's worth here.

Kevin: 00:30:14

Um,

Julie: 00:30:15

The whole podcast freeze.

Julie: 00:30:16

If you don't like it, fuck off

Kevin: 00:30:21

Well said.

Julie: 00:30:22

let's talk about how you work with people.

Julie: 00:30:24

Cuz there are gonna be people who are listening and be like,

Julie: 00:30:26

I need more of that voice.

Julie: 00:30:27

I don't care.

Julie: 00:30:27

And which how it happens, I'm gonna need more of that voice.

Julie: 00:30:30

So how do you work with, with individuals?

Julie: 00:30:33

How do you work with teams or companies?

Kevin: 00:30:37

Sure.

Kevin: 00:30:37

So, uh, I do a little bit of one-on-one, not very much, but.

Kevin: 00:30:42

I have a mastermind group for, you know, leaders that are really looking

Kevin: 00:30:46

to get around a community, other leaders that wanna go further faster,

Kevin: 00:30:50

and then, uh, actually have another group called the Quantum Leap Creators

Kevin: 00:30:52

that's a little more of a gateway offer.

Kevin: 00:30:55

And so we do a group coaching twice a month on that and just get

Kevin: 00:30:58

like-minded folks on like-minded journeys together so that uh, we can.

Kevin: 00:31:03

You know, create a more positive and productive impact in the world together.

Kevin: 00:31:06

And I mean, I'm on site, Kevin couple.us, there's like a free

Kevin: 00:31:09

download to if you wanna get better at relationships, because you know,

Kevin: 00:31:13

like as much as I love people, I don't wanna be around them sometimes, right?

Kevin: 00:31:17

But you know what?

Kevin: 00:31:18

Like connection's, one of our most fundamental needs as humans.

Kevin: 00:31:21

and you know, I, I definitely can't do it all.

Kevin: 00:31:23

I'm good at a very finite amount of things and I'm so grateful for people who, you

Kevin: 00:31:28

know, helped me get to where I wanna be.

Kevin: 00:31:29

Because if it was up to me to like code my website, like I would have like

Kevin: 00:31:35

probably taken my own life years ago.

Julie: 00:31:36

Right.

Julie: 00:31:39

All right, so Kevin ke us and on there they can find the quantum leap and

Julie: 00:31:44

they can find the go further faster.

Julie: 00:31:46

And you can send me a link for the strengths assessment.

Julie: 00:31:50

And, and so going forward people can, can find out whatever they want about

Julie: 00:31:55

themselves through that, and then work with you to have it go even farther.

Kevin: 00:32:00

That sounds good to me.

Kevin: 00:32:00

I've, I always got a free masterclass that I do.

Kevin: 00:32:03

Um, it's, uh, if you, Kevin couple.us/own your genius

Julie: 00:32:08

own

Kevin: 00:32:09

and it's, we do it most weeks and, uh, you know, it's really

Kevin: 00:32:14

just, uh, Offer some of the ideas that we talked about to people and

Kevin: 00:32:17

to give people a space to share.

Kevin: 00:32:19

And, you know, we're all in this thing together, really.

Kevin: 00:32:21

Like, uh, I mean, just like you, like I want to help.

Kevin: 00:32:25

And, you know, I've had a lot of people really help me along my journey and

Kevin: 00:32:28

th thank God for coaches and mentors because that's what has gotten me so

Kevin: 00:32:33

much further, so much faster every time.

Kevin: 00:32:35

So know it doesn't have to be me.

Kevin: 00:32:36

I don't have the market cornered on great coaching for sure.

Kevin: 00:32:39

But, you know, find somebody that resonates with you and, you know,

Kevin: 00:32:42

make the investment is so worth it.

Julie: 00:32:44

Well, I've always said that if you wanna get good at something or if you need

Julie: 00:32:47

help with something, you need a coach.

Julie: 00:32:49

No matter what it is.

Julie: 00:32:50

When writing my Ted, my Ted, hopefully TEDx talk, I hired

Julie: 00:32:54

a coach writing my book.

Julie: 00:32:55

I hired a coach.

Julie: 00:32:56

You know, I just, I.

Julie: 00:32:58

I can only stick in my zone of genius.

Julie: 00:33:01

And some of it is not what other coaches do.

Julie: 00:33:03

So that's why you have to hire a coach.

Julie: 00:33:05

So if this sounds amazing to you and, um, you're like, yes, I need more, Kevin,

Julie: 00:33:11

I need to find out my strengths and how to use them and go further faster, and

Julie: 00:33:14

I need a course that voice in my life, um, I will put connections to everything.

Julie: 00:33:19

Kevin, in, in the, uh, show notes and thanks so much for being here,

Kevin: 00:33:24

Um, thank you for having me, Julie Brown.

Kevin: 00:33:27

You're awesome.

Kevin: 00:33:28

And I would highly suggest you guys look her up.

Kevin: 00:33:31

She'll take you anywhere you want to go.

Kevin: 00:33:33

She's pretty badass if y'all hadn't figured that out by now.

Kevin: 00:33:36

So, uh, definitely a level 10 human.

Julie: 00:33:39

Aw, thank you so much.