Episode 127

Hypnosis and the Unconscious Mind with Susie Hayes

Published on: 11th January, 2023

Have you ever felt stuck in a pattern of behavior that doesn’t serve you? I have, and in general when that happens I feel like I have a block in front of me or at least in my brain preventing me from making the right decisions

Have you ever experienced having these blocks? 

Listen in as I talk with Susie Hayes, a psychotherapist, life and business coach, hypnotist and author who helps people get FREED from stuck, as she breaks down the different types of blocks that may be holding us back as well as how we can move past them. 

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I once had a psychic tell me that when she looked at me, the lyrics from

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the pink song ran through her head.

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Specifically the lyric, I'm a hazard to myself at this point in my life.

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I had to agree with her.

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I was a hazard to myself.

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Some parts of my life were literally running off the rails.

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I was stressed.

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My coping mechanisms were anything but healthy.

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I felt.

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Stuck in a pattern of procrastination, disorganization,

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and maybe even self sabotage.

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Welcome to episode 1 27 of This Shit Works, a podcast dedicated to

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all things networking, relationship building, and business development.

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I'm your host, Julie Brown.

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Professional keynote speaker and author, and today I am joined by Susie

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Hayes, a psychotherapist life and business coach hypnotist, an author

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who helps people get freed from stuck.

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Welcome to this shit Works Your Weekly No Nonsense Guide to networking

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your way to more friends, more adventures, and way more success.

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With your host, Julie Brown.

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Here we go.

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When I'm feeling stuck in a pattern that doesn't serve me, I generally feel like

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I have a block in front of me preventing me from making the right decisions.

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I'm not sure where these blocks come from and why I let them stand in the

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way of my progress or my success.

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Does this ever happen to.

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I'm gonna guess the answer is yes.

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This is what our guest today is here to discuss.

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Susie is the author of Freed From Stuck Dare to Cross the Bridge Beyond

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Grief, trauma, and Self-Sabotage to discover Lasting Change.

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And today, she's here to break down the different types of blocks

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that may be holding us back as well as how we can move past them.

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Susie, welcome to the podcast.

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Thank you, Julie.

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It's delight to be here.

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Thank you for inviting.

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So in the intro I shared a little bit about how I've experienced

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blocks, things that stand in the way of perhaps me being my best self.

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And I know that through your almost 40 years of work, you have

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identified five of the most common blocks that people encounter.

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Can we break those down a bit?

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Those five blocks?

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I cannot recite those five blocks from my head right now.

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From the, I can, I can give them 'em to you, . Alright.

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You could give them to me.

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Okay.

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And I didn't know there was gonna be a pop quiz today, , uh, you give

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them to me and I'll comment on them.

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Okay.

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How about that?

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Well, that work.

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That works.

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Perfect.

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So the first block is external blocks.

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So what are those?

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These are actually external experiences.

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Can stand in our way.

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It can have to do with commitments that we have, locations where we are limitations

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with regard to education or opportunity.

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And often we confuse those with what's actually an internal block.

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Hmm.

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So that was the next block.

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Internal block.

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What are internal blocks?

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Internal blocks are really those challenges that we have inside that

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have to do with our belief systems and our emotional state belief systems that

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we sometimes grew up with no longer service as we mature through our life.

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And so it's important that we examine those beliefs about ourselves, about

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others, and about how the world operates.

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Hmm.

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So the next one is emotional blocks.

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Yes, and this can be often about emotions that are either toxic or that we have

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become stuck in a certain emotional state.

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Grieving is very important.

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However, if we are not moving through that, and uh, we'll probably talk

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about that a little bit later.

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It can hinder us from getting to where we wanna be in terms of our quality of.

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What other emotional blocks might there be besides grief?

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There can be most predominantly fear if you kind of boil down most of the

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emotional blocks, it has to do with fear.

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It can masquerade as anger or disappointment having to do with

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betrayal or somehow feeling.

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Something has happened to us where we feel victimized.

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Those can all be states that we need to examine carefully in terms

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of being able to move forward.

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Okay.

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This one I don't know anything about, so I'm very curious.

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Perpetual blocks, what's a perpetual block?

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These are really about patterns that have developed.

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For us that keep reoccurring.

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It's kind of the idea of if you keep doing what you've been doing,

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you'll keep getting what you got.

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Yeah.

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And so, uh, a perpetual block is something that keeps reoccurring.

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We return to a pattern that hasn't served us well and, uh, it just keeps us stuck.

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Why do you think we do that?

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Why do we go back to a pattern we know.

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It doesn't serve.

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I mean, I think I'm guilty of it, so I'm asking Absolutely that Yes, it's

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a good point, Julie, and we're, we all do that, and we do that because

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that's part of our survival mechanism.

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That's how our brain and nervous system works with regard to developing patterns

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or habits that it's designed that way so that we can quickly and instinctively

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return to patterns that service.

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Mm.

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What becomes problematic for us, however, is that if we're not getting

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the results, then we tend to stay stuck where we're at, and so we return to

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those, not because they're comfortable, but because they're familiar and

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often because they're instinctive.

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Okay.

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And then the last block is unconscious blocks.

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What is this?

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These are the.

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That reside in the non-conscious part of our mind.

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These are often very powerful beliefs that have to do with what we learned

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from those early on in our life that we're our caregivers, and they can often

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also be related to losses or trauma.

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I know you're a hypnotherapist, and this is unbelievably fascinating to me.

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I have been hypnotized before.

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I'm not gonna say for fun because that's putting it lightly, but it was

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like in high school where they had a hypnotist come in and, and let me

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just tell you, I went out like that.

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Like I'm like . I am the easiest person to hypnotize.

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I wanna talk a little bit about hypnotherapy.

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How you work with people and what that does and what it taps into in our brain

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to help us move past these blocks.

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Hypnosis, uh, when people ask, I don't know if I can be hypnotized, and you just

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said how easily you realized you could be.

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Yep.

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I say to people, do you watch tv?

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And they go, well, yeah, sure.

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And I go, then you've been hypnotized.

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Because hypnosis is really about going into an altered state of

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relaxation where we become receptive.

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To whatever messages are being given to us.

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So of course, media and marketing have understood this for decades.

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Mm.

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And it's, it's very powerful because once we go into that state,

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we are receptive emotionally.

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And so that can either be detrimental in that we can find ourselves.

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You know, making purchases or doing things that in retrospect we go, why?

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Why did I do that?

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Or it can be used very positive as in clinical hypnotherapy.

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You were talking about hypnosis for the purpose of entertainment.

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Mm-hmm.

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, and I just want to assure people that no one can be hypnotized against your will.

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Meaning if you're not open to quacking like a duck or you.

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I don't know, wa wagging your tail like a dog.

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If you have no desire to participate in that, you're not likely to be suggestible.

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Mm-hmm.

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. So that's important for people to understand is that it is a vulnerable

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state, but it has to be a vulnerability in a setting where there's trust.

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So in terms of how hypnosis is very powerful with regard to the change process

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that it allows a person to open up.

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To positive and changing directives given by the hypnotist.

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Mm-hmm.

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that go underneath the defense system directly to the non-conscious mind

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and to give those directives to the mind at that level and or to resolve

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conflict in terms of the directives given so that wherever those blocks.

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Internally that are out of someone's awareness, it helps release those or

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realign those with a person's true values and what they really want

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in terms of their quality of life.

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So how does that go hand in hand with a normal route of therapy?

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Like how does that work together with overcoming obstacles and boundaries?

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Like how do they go hand in hand?

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I actually developed a protocol several years ago that I use in the work that

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I do that I don't know of another clinician who does this, but I found

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it to be very effective in that when I'm working with someone in a coaching

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or a counseling setting, We do what is called that talk session where we

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have the conversation about what's important and what's prominent in terms

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of going on at the conscious level.

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From that, I use that information from that session

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and I actually write a script.

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And record an MP3 based upon the information in that consultation,

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and I send it to a client for them to listen to every day.

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Mm-hmm.

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at least once until our next consultation.

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. And the purpose of that is that it is a lasered way of focusing

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on what is being worked on.

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And it allows someone to reinforce that through repetition.

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Mm-hmm.

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in that deep, relaxed state.

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And it's also then a resource that someone can use really for the rest of their

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lives, because they can always go back.

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Refresh.

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Mm-hmm.

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, because what we know about the non-conscious mind is that

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repetition is really important in terms of reinforcement.

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Mm-hmm.

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, if you will, the grooves in the brain where habits have been

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formed, never really go away.

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But they become less charged when they're used less.

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And so as we develop patterns that are stronger and healthier and more

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in alignment with who we are and what we want in our lives, those default

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patterns kind of fade to the background.

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But what's it really important for people to understand is they don't go.

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, which is why when there are stress points for us, sometimes we default.

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Mm-hmm.

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and I tell people that not as a way of discouraging them, but to help them

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understand that that's part of that preservation system in our mind to

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give us that default place to go to.

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Mm-hmm.

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. So what we know is that the more that we reinforce and.

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Those new patterns, particularly with a strong emotional charge,

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then it serves us well in terms of developing the new patterns.

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Yeah, I know, I mean, just from a quick hit kind of standpoint with, um, hypnosis,

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my stepfather did it to quit smoking.

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Mm-hmm.

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, so I don't know how many sessions he went to, but it worked.

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And I mean, cuz he is like, I mean, you know how they were in

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the seventies, like, you know, he was, he was a chain smoker and.

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He want couldn't quit and he tried to quit and couldn't quit and then he

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did hypnosis to quit smoking and he, and it stuck and it's, and he's been

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25 years since he smoked a cigarette.

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I think.

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Congratulations to him.

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Yeah.

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It's so important to appreciate that.

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There has to be a certain readiness to make the change.

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Mm-hmm.

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, that people are prepared, that they really are going to let go of something.

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Mm-hmm.

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such as cigarettes.

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And that's why there's actually a pretty, what I would say, low

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long-term success rate for smokers.

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Mm-hmm.

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, just because those patterns can be very entrenched.

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Yeah.

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And so the fact that your stepfather.

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Was able to do that meant that he really had a commitment to that

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and he was working with someone who was really skilled that could go

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deeply into his internal experience and really unlock that for him.

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Mm-hmm.

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and create new pathways in his mind.

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So congratulations to.

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Is there any downside to going into your unconscious mind and uncovering

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things that maybe you didn't know were there, or the origin of blocks

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that maybe you didn't understand?

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That's a good question, and I'm not really sure how to really answer that.

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Julie, it's important that as things are uncovered, that you're

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working with someone who knows how to manage those states.

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Mm.

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because particularly if you're going back with regard to trauma or deep loss mm-hmm.

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, you need to have someone that you're working with that you trust and that you

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know that they have the capacity to stay with you in those experiences and move

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you through and out of them to a different relationship with those memories.

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Mm-hmm.

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, and that's really how hypnosis serve.

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with regard to the darker experiences in the unconscious.

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The goal is really to be able to remember a memory.

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Mm-hmm.

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to even remember how it felt, but not to reexperience the emotion of it.

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Mm-hmm.

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, and that's really important in that process.

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Right.

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So let's talk a little bit about your book, freed From Stuck.

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I.

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That it, you outline that it's freed from, stuck to beyond

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grief, trauma, and self sabotage.

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I think those are like the three main things that probably are affecting people.

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And grief is a hard thing to, it's multi-layered.

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It's hard to work through.

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Anybody who listens to this podcast knows that I lost seven people in my

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family in the last year and a half.

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So there's been some brief there and maybe some self sabotage in the way that I'm.

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Handling the stress of owning multiple companies and dealing

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with all of this at the same time.

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So your book outlines a five step process on how to get freed from stock.

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So can you walk us through that process?

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Absolutely.

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I used the acronym in writing the book of the F R E E D in relationship

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to the metaphor of a bridge.

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Crossing from stuck to Freed.

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From stuck.

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Mm-hmm.

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. And the F is for face the bridge.

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And what this is, is it's about identifying what the real problem is.

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Hmm.

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And the real problem is very often a pain point or an unmet need.

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So we need to be able to clearly identify that so that we can put together a

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strategy with regard to moving forward.

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The next element is R, which is recognize the bridge.

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And what this is, it's about looking across the bridge to where

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we want to be to the destination and having a clear picture.

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Of what we really believe our life will be like when we get there very often.

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It's not exactly the way we imagine.

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Mm-hmm.

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, but the imagination is so powerful and is so important in terms of

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creating a strong, emotionally charged magnet that will compel us across the

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bridge, especially when the weather gets a little rough in the journey.

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Mm-hmm.

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The first E is embrace the bridge, and what this is about is identifying

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those blocks and challenges either externally or internally that are keeping

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us from living the way that we want.

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What's the process of identifying the blocks?

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Do you walk three people through a process of, of understanding what, of the five

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blocks they're having, maybe they have all five, maybe they have a couple of them.

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Is there a process for identifying the blocks?

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The process is really conversational.

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It's based upon what the problem was that's been identified.

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Mm-hmm.

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. And so sometimes it can have to do with external, it can have to

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do with beliefs or it can have to do with emotional states.

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Mm.

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Or experiences that we've had.

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And so it's really very much a conversation of exploration.

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Okay.

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I call it following the breadcrumbs.

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Mm-hmm.

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. And so as we are looking at that, we follow those breadcrumbs and

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then put together a plan that makes sense in terms of moving forward.

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Mm-hmm.

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. Okay.

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So that was the first E embrace the bridge.

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Yes.

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Which is identifying the blocks.

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Yes.

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And the second one is exit the bridge.

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And this is the element that we often do not talk about in the change

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process, but it's so really essential to understand that we need to grieve

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losses when we're changing because we're giving up what is no longer serving us.

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And often we're giving up something that has been we've experienced as valuable.

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Like your stepfather, he was very attach.

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To smoking.

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Yes.

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It served a purpose for him and he had to be willing not only to

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the experience, the loss of that, but to also grieve that mm-hmm.

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. And so it's very important that we do that.

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And grieving, as you well know, in your experience in this last year

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and a half, is a messy process.

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Mm-hmm.

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. And it's the most difficult task that we have as human beings.

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and to the degree that we love is the degree that we grieve.

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Mm-hmm.

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. So it's very important that we allow ourselves to attend to that process

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with compassion and patience, and to understand that it's really

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important in the change process.

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Mm-hmm.

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. And then the last element is d.

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Which is discover our destiny as we arrive at the destination.

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And by that I mean that in any change process of transformation,

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we come to know ourselves better.

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We have an increased self-awareness.

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We learn more about what is important to us, what is purposeful, what

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brings us joy, what we value, and that is what I refer to as our destiny,

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as we arrive at the destination.

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Because it's about really learning more about who we are.

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And then of course, we know every time we cross the bridge,

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There's gonna be another bridge.

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And another bridge.

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Mm-hmm.

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and another bridge, because that is the process of our own growth.

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Is there a timeline, like, this should take this long, sometimes it takes

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this long to do these five steps?

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Or is it a, there're a right or wrong answer, like, you're going too

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slow across the bridge, or you're getting stuck at one of the E's?

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Like, is there a timeframe that you're supposed to accomplish

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this crossing of the bridge?

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No.

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Because I feel like I might drag that shit on.

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You know what I mean?

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, it varies with people for lots of reasons, right?

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We're all on our own journey.

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Yeah.

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And part of what is so important is, We wanna be able to move as

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quickly and efficiently as we can.

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Right?

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We want to be able to regulate our journey.

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Mm-hmm.

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, but we also need to be compassionate and patient and truthful in the journey.

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And that just varies for people.

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Some people are more.

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Vulnerable, more trusting, more open, more curious, more ready.

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Mm-hmm.

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more energized.

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Others are more tentative, more wounded, more afraid, more limited in some ways.

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So it just varies with where people are in their own journey.

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Mm-hmm.

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, can two things be on one bridge at once or are you only supposed

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to tackle one bridge at a.

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Well, I, I've never heard it quite framed like that, Julie and I love that.

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No.

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You know, I, I guess there's sort of.

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Multi-dimensional thing going on there that you're talking about that Absolutely.

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We are actually crossing multiple bridges all of the time and sometimes

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we have bridges where we go, Nope, not gonna cross that one today.

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Right, ? Yeah.

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Cuz I feel like in my mind I'm saying, oh, I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.

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And it's usually like a one thing at a time, but.

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We are never dealing with one problem at a time.

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That's true.

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Our problems are as complex as we are.

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So do you like, you're like, okay, I'm gonna break this

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problem down into Five Bridges,

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Well, it's true.

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What's important, however, is to keep in mind that we can only

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focus on one bridge at a time.

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Yeah.

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So part of what happens for people, particularly if they try to.

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Too many changes too quickly.

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Mm-hmm.

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, that's where it becomes problematic because we can only create

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a consistent change if we're focusing on it consistently.

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Yeah.

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And so how did you get started in what you do?

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I mean, first, how did you, I would love to know how you

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became a, a hypnotherapist.

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Like what is the process for that?

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But how did you get started with this?

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Cause it's, it all sounds so amazing.

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I originally was working on my master's in education and I wound up in my

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own therapy during graduate school.

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Mm-hmm.

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. And I found that process to be so fascinating that I actually stayed

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and got an additional master's in counseling and so it changed the

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trajectory of my work, which is why now my work's kind of multifaceted.

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You know, I, I do.

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Counseling and the coaching and the hypnosis and the sex therapy and the

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writing, and the teaching and the speaking because it's all kind of

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flows from that early foundation.

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But that was really how I got into it.

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I found that transformation process to really be both interesting and

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intriguing and very satisfying in the work, which is why I've done

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it for these number of years.

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Mm-hmm.

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And how does, as far as hypnosis, yeah.

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Yeah.

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That was an experience.

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It was actually something that I sort of added to my toolbox quite a

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while back because I wanted to have a resource that would allow me to work

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with people to go more quickly to the unconscious mind and work at that level.

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Okay.

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And so if people are interested in working with you, they know they have

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a block, they know they have a bridge.

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To cross, what is the best way for people to connect with you, to reach out to

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you to learn more information about you?

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The easiest way Juli is for them to go to my website, freed from stuck.com.

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Okay.

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And they can go there.

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And if they're interested in a consultation, I do a 45 minute

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consultation at no charge, no obligation.

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It gives us an opportunity to.

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Look at where the challenges are for them and if it would make

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sense for us to work together.

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Mm-hmm.

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, there are also lots of other resources on the website, so.

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Okay.

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That's really the place to go to connect with me.

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Okay, great.

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Well, I will put a link to that in the show notes, and I'm so

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glad we had this conversation.

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Thanks for coming on.

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Thank you, Julie.

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It's been an honor.

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I'm gonna be honest.

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I was most into the hypnosis discussion in this conversation.

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There are things in the world that I simply find fascinating in

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hypnosis, and a subconscious mind is one of those things, especially

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since I've been hypnotized before.

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According to M one psychology, most of the problems that affect human beings

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are unconscious, and unfortunately, it is difficult to control unconscious

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behavior through conscious effort alone.

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Even if we wanted.

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The conscious and the unconscious or subconscious minds have two

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completely different functions.

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While the conscious mind is the rational part and is the seed of our

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wishes, desires, and aspirations, the unconscious or subconscious mind is

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full of wanted and unwanted programs from early life until now that play

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over and over again automatically.

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The subconscious mind represents programming developed from

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our life experience since c.

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What we have learned as well as other people's experiences and input from

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sources such as family, teachers, friends, and of course the media habits

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kick in and we can easily believe we are limited in victims of circumstance.

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That can't change.

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The solution then is to have the conscious and subconscious mind in more coherence.

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That seems like a logical thing to do.

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Somehow get our conscious and subconscious minds on the same

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track working together for us.

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Maybe Susie could help us with that.

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I just think this shit is so interesting and we only scratch the surface in our

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discussion about how we can begin to move past being stuck, how we can cross bridges

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that seem insurmountable and tackle our default patterns to make lasting change.

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I don't know about you, but I'm ready forging so onto the drink

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of the week, which if you have listened to this podcast, you know,

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I literally just googled the theme of the podcast with the word cocktail.

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That's where most of these come from.

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For this episode, I Googled bridge cocktail, and to my surprise, there

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were a shit ton of bridge cocktails, sex on a bridge, love under a bridge,

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the London Bridge, lots of bridges, lots of cocktails, unfortunately,

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with really obscure ingredients that none of you are gonna have.

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So I ended up on a cocktail called, Brooklyn Bridge named after, of

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course, the bridge that connects Manhattan, Brooklyn across the East

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River according to Drunker Almanac.

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You gotta love that.

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The Brooklyn cocktail itself has a long and twisted history.

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David Wondrich largely describes it in the Oxford Companion to Spirits and

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Cocktails, where he explains that numerous versions exist with the only common

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point being an attempt to rival the more famous Manhattan or Bronx cocktails.

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This would be one such version, the Brooklyn Bridge.

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Here's what you're gonna need.

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Two parts Glu 15 year, half a part trabu, half a part driver

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moth, a dash of fig bidders and a luxardo merino cherry to garnish.

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What you're gonna do is you're gonna take it mixing glass.

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You're gonna stir all ingredients with ice.

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Stir, stir, stir, stir, stir, stir, stir, then strain into a nick and Nora glass,

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or coop glass, and garnish with a luxardo.

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That's all for this week.

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and subscribe to the podcast.

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Also, please remember to share the podcast to help it reach a larger audience.

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If you want more, Julie Brown, you can find my book.

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This shit works on Amazon or Barnes and Noble, or in the show notes below.

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You can find me on LinkedIn at Julie Brown bd.

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Jess, let me know where you found me when you reach out, and I am Julie

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Brown, underscore BD on Instagram.

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Or you can just pop on over to my website, Julie Brown bd dot.

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Until next week.

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Cheers.

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Hey, thanks for taking the time to listen.

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Be sure to subscribe to the podcast so you never miss a tip.

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And remember, you can unapologetically be who you authentically are

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and still be wildly successful.

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That's a fact.

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This Shit Works
The people you meet can 100% Change Your Life! Networking is how you meet those people. Which sucks because you hate networking, you think you're bad at networking, and you certainly don’t have time to network. Bullshit! Welcome to This Shit Works, a weekly podcast hosted by entrepreneur, CEO, public speaker, author, business development strategist and networking coach Julie Brown. Just don’t call her Downtown Julie Brown - she doesn’t like that.

Each week Julie will bring to you her no nonsense tips, tricks and conversations around networking your way to more friends, more adventures and way more success!
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